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Dundee sheltered housing plans emerge

May 13 2015

Dundee sheltered housing plans emerge
Retirement home specialists McCarthy & Stone have submitted plans for a 43 flat development on the site of a former Scottish Water depot at the junction of Pitkerro and Stobsmuir Road’s, Dundee.

Located close to two B-listed buildings in a predominantly residential area the site is screened from the road by a two metre high stone wall.

In their design statement Young & Gault Architects noted: “Particular care has been taken in the choice of external materials to reinforce the building’s traditional vernacular aesthetic and to be appropriate within the context of the Maryfield Conservation Area.

“The proposed design incorporates a mixture of textured cast stone and render. The cast stone is used to visually reiinforce the corners of the building on the primary frontage. The combination of the two materials creates visually interesting compositions on the various elevations.”

It is the latest in a series of retirement complexes to be delivered by the developer, most recently a 39 flat scheme in Edinburgh’s Morningside.

Young & Gault have plumped for a 'traditional vernacular aesthetic'
Young & Gault have plumped for a 'traditional vernacular aesthetic'


#1 Posted by visitor on 13 May 2015 at 14:33 PM
Big Chantelle
#2 Posted by Big Chantelle on 13 May 2015 at 15:31 PM
I approve.
#3 Posted by visitor on 13 May 2015 at 17:07 PM
Thanks for the support Chantelle
#4 Posted by modernish on 14 May 2015 at 08:23 AM
A real missed opportunity for a concrete modernist building on this site; what a shame Y&G didn't 'plump'(is that a Freudian choice of word here regarding the proposals proportions?) for that instead.
boaby wan
#5 Posted by boaby wan on 14 May 2015 at 11:03 AM
Big Chantelle's comment confirms my worse fears...
Got to love the Y&G statement too, I take it concrete roof tiles, reconstituted stone lintels/cills and textured cast stone cladding are all the rage in the conservation area - it must have taken particular care right enough!
Big Chantelle
#6 Posted by Big Chantelle on 14 May 2015 at 12:50 PM
@Boaby wan who said:

"Big Chantelle's comment confirms my worse fears..."

Your worst fears are people caring about architecture and the built environment and wanting to ensure that architectural integrity is maintained in areas where it is appropriate?

Why would you fear such a thing? Is it because you'd rather have an alternative to this -- namely ugliness bestowed upon quaint little areas?
boaby wan
#7 Posted by boaby wan on 14 May 2015 at 13:11 PM
as someone that constantly bemoans anything that looks vaguely contemporary in style regardless of quality (usually incorrectly judging it as concrete or modernist) - I find it worrying that you would approve of something like this proposal in a conservation area.
Can you please tell me what has "architectural integrity" about a dense block of housing featuring stick on "stone" features, has modern proportions in the fenestration, concrete tiles and plastic rainwater goods?
Big Chantelle
#8 Posted by Big Chantelle on 14 May 2015 at 15:18 PM
well Boaby, why don't you familiarise yourself with the area and its archcitecture: pitched roofs, slate, stone etc. This proposal DOES respect the area's architecture.

What's a "dense block" anyway? Is that the architectural equivalent of an "undense block". The building is encompassing a a larger volume of people thus the typology of the building is not going to be a single story bungalow -- is it?

I'm glad that there is still architects who, despite being called 'pastiche' and 'backwards', create buildings not to pander to the fashions and 'applause' of the lefty culture critics, but to common sense and what real human beings actually like.

So Boaby, when you get round to looking at the area on google streetview you'll see this architecture is sympathetic to the area (you won't admit you're wrong though, you never do). And after that, why don't you conduct a poll: show these buildings and say, a social housing block of Speirs Lock in Glasgow. Ask ppl: which do you prefer. Betcha they say this one. Betcha.

To reiterate: I approve of this building. You may go ahead and build it Dundee.
boaby wan
#9 Posted by boaby wan on 14 May 2015 at 15:48 PM
this area is predominantly stone built, low rise, low density housing with lots of roof detail - but i like your thoughts, it doesn't matter what the building is or how it fits with the context, as long as it has some stick on stone and isn't boxy, there is no inbetweens eh?
Pitched roof in slate, great in the context but alas, not part of this proposal.
Stone? stick on just doesn't do it for me I'm afraid you can spot it a mile off - good to know you are happy with cheap dross getting thrown up as long as you can't accuse it of being lefty concrete modernist...
I have no problem with contextual architecture, however, this is not it - and more the fool you for swallowing it
Big Chantelle
#10 Posted by Big Chantelle on 14 May 2015 at 16:03 PM
Boaby, I like it. Deal with it. Just because this isn't of your usual architectural persuasion (cumbernauld town centre-esque) is no reason to vent your anger at me.

And a pitched roof isn't part of the proposal -- erm, what do you call those slopey things at the top of the building -- giraffes?

Let it be shown that I merely said I approve of this building. It was you who proceeded to name check me for the sake of making a mocking statement about your so called fears etc.

boaby wan
#11 Posted by boaby wan on 14 May 2015 at 16:22 PM
"your usual architectural persuasion (cumbernauld town centre-esque)" is this "my" usual persuasion, or just us lefty concrete loving modernsist?

Rather than pick and chose to attempt to avoid the point : "Pitched roof in slate" - those slopey things are covered with (dun dun duuuuun....) CONCRETE tiles!!
who'd have thunk big chanters would be on here approving of the devils building material!??
boaby wan
#12 Posted by boaby wan on 14 May 2015 at 16:27 PM
and, white upvc windows? very traditional and in keeping with the conservation area...
Big Chantelle
#13 Posted by Big Chantelle on 14 May 2015 at 16:57 PM
Boaby, why are you so concerned with MY views as opposed to articulating why you dislike it?

Every post you've made is about me.And your views are contextualised in reference to what I've said. What I think and feel has nothing to do with you.

I like it. I like the overall aesthetic look. I like the fact it isn't some random shaped social housing block. I like the conservative nature of it. I like the stone. And your 'concrete tiles' quip is silly -- it isn't garden slabs being placed down on the roof but rather tiles which mimic the surrounding slate. The aesthetic quality is in keeping. I can support that.

There ya go Boaby. Got round to that poll yet?
boaby wan
#14 Posted by boaby wan on 14 May 2015 at 17:36 PM
exposing your lack of coherent thought and your hypocrisy rather than concern dear ;)
It's amusing to me that you can see no further than the "style" - is this right wing historicism or something? how should we brand it?
How does this relate to its context exactly?
It is a different scale of building from the surrounding streets, it's more dense a completely different aesthetic to anything around it - "traditional vernacular aesthetic" is a nonsense phrase in the design statement as the language of this building is far from the local vernacular, in fact, this building could literally be placed anywhere in scotland and make the same bogus claims but still be swallowed up because some seem to think that stick on stone and gabled roofs make it fit in...
Big Chantelle
#15 Posted by Big Chantelle on 15 May 2015 at 05:42 AM
Well Boaby, let my thoughts be "amusing" to you. But let it be shown that it IS YOU who has devoted EVERY POST YOU HAVE WRITTEN to remarking about MY views.
That speaks volumes. Regardless, I have given Dundee my support on this building. They may proceed to build it.

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