Whisper it......but the local nimbys will be up in arms!

Don't worry Andy, between the available bowling clubs begging to be developed - we'll get one of them.

Although from some of the stuff you read you'd think that lawn bowls is Scotland's national passion and a pre-requisite of school teaching.

Decent time to join your local boolin' club and hope for a wee cash payout.
Seriously though, to the best of my knowledge most clubs own the land their club is on (just like golf clubs and all the rest) and so if the members think the best thing to do is sell up then fair play to them. They might well have dwindling memberships and the their liabilities in terms of maintenance etc.. could be greater than their income.
Hysterical locals who haven't given the place a damn or a dime over the years should be politely listened to and then ignored. If you wanted a say you should have joined the club and contributed to it. Popular, active clubs won't have their heads turned by a developer with a few quid. Whereas cash strapped and struggling clubs most certainly will.

Having lived 41 years bounding the KBLT club as a family supported over 4 generations. Don't mock us I pay huge council tax. Also looked at the history and how it was Glasgow City Council land endowed for the residents as there were NO amenities. We have precious little community discussion given covid and not everyone uses or has access to online. Not niave to the workings of those in position of power and how to hoodwink the little person. Shame on all of you Glasgow City Council, Developers and KCC for lack of transparency and community engagement.

#4 Local, I pay council tax too, probably more than your family combined, and would love to see majority of this bowling greens gone. Keeping them is an insult to proper urbanism. Who's right then? My money or yours?

Let’s not lose sight of the facts here. If Holmes Miller are involved in this, then the architecture isn’t exactly going to be inspiring. The render alone tells that story. It’s a shame because I have no objection to building on these sites. I just have an objection to bad architecture.

People, you are all missing the bigger picture here, the old tennis court is not up to today’s playing standard. The club is going to benefit from two new courts, a competition one and a smaller court for children, the bowling green is also not being touched. I think this is great for the area as it should bring life back to the club and community. If the club can encourage younger member’s, it is safeguarding its future within the community.

A few points I'd like to make. This deal has been made secretively and deceptively. A neighbourhood consultation letter was posted online (I still haven't been able to find it...) which directly discriminates against those who don't live their lives online, or have access to the internet. A hard copy should have been put through our letterboxes, but to date, NONE of us have heard anything about these plans. I have made repeated requests for information from Kelvindale Community Council who have negligently ignored or fobbed off my messages. The lack of communication here is really appalling. Then there is the name calling, which started with 'Whispering Andy' here at the top of the comments. Pull your head in Andy. Insulting local residents is impolite and pointless. Meanwhile, dfreddie, I agree, the courts are not up to playing standard. Convenient that they haven't been properly maintained, allowed to fall into disrepair so the club can argue they're not being used! By the way, is ANYONE aware that these grounds are designated for community use, and should never have been handed to developers? Oh dear, that deals already been done. In secret. If Kelvindale Lawn Bowls and Tennis Club wants to gain the support of local residents, then start by being open and honest. Enough of the cloak and dagger tactics. It's obnoxious.

Dear Irritated neighbour,
One persons 'secretively and deceptively' is another persons 'in commercial confidence'. By your standards most people plan their weekly shop secretively and deceptively' (i.e without consultation with their neighbours)...its a private matter and these are best kept private.
The issue become public when a planning application is made. You now have your chance to have your say. As i said earlier if you were a contributing club member you could have had your say before this stage. Its right and proper that interested parties are consulted at the correct time; certainly not before.
If you've got an issue with the community council (who incidentally are all volunteers trying their best to help their local community) take it up with them. It's better to not conflate your gripe with the community council and the proposals as submitted. Lots of community councils have really struggled through the course of the pandemic. A more charitable position would be to offer to help out rather than suggest you have been 'negligently ignored or fobbed off".
I'm not sure NIMBY is an insult, its an acronym for Not In My Back Yard. In this instance it seems apt and appropriate.
The maintenance of courts is a matter for the club. If they haven't funds to maintain a surface then it simply can't happen. If they had a magic money tree they would have, no doubt, given it a shake. But when the cash needs to come from members and donations decisions have to be made on what is affordable and what can be deferred.
If the grounds can't be developed as they are 'designated for community use' as you suggest then your lawyers, GCC's lawyers and the developers lawyers will do very well out of it as they argue the merits of that particular point. Between them they'll get to the bottom of it. However, as there will still be tennis courts and a bowling green then, in a sense, the community use is still being provided. In the meantime those sort of arguments will need to be treated with a degree of caution. In my experience most developer clients will have checked the legality of the site and it's suitability for development ahead of the current position where they've actually forked out some money for a consultant design team.

Whisper it...... but 'obnoxious' and 'inonic' have collided on that there post. Bravo IR, Bravo.

Those comments are almost a perfect rendition of nimbyism - i'm tempted to call it a parody post.

What we had was a longwinded rant that the user is dead against the development because the developer never tickled their tummy. All information was online, but because they never made IR feel important by printing it out (COP26 anyone?) & delivering it there is a staunch objection.

Not one comment on the quality of the development (whether good or bad) or change of use......other than its designated community use (as it will remain).'

Yet the user wonders why the CC ignore them......I'm willing to guess why.

Dear Irritated Neighbour,
PS - you might be better concentrating your objection on the pretty risible apartment layouts of flat types 01 and 07 to avoid overlooking the adjoining properties. GCC will be more interested in this than the other nebulous arguments.

I've read a lot of stuff on this website over the years, but boasting over how much council tax you pay is a new one for me.

#5 Peter, take a bow son.

Augh, I was not informed the amount of council tax paid was reflective of the importance of one's opinion. Gosh darn it, I've wasted thousands and allowed many a student halls to slip through...

Regarding joining the club and taking part. I tried to join this particular club, but as a non-playing bowls member you have no rights at meetings for input, in fact the list of what I could not do was so long, I wondered why I would bother joining, even tennis members have no rights to take part in decisions or have priority for booking use of the space.

one persons 'poor scrubland to the north ' is another persons valued leafy view. Tree prejudice. A mature tree has value even if it is not an oak.

Regarding joining the club and taking part. I tried to join this particular club, but as a non-playing bowls member you have no rights at meetings for input, in fact the list of what I could not do was so long, I wondered why I would bother joining, even tennis members have no rights to take part in decisions or have priority for booking use of the space.

I think this will be a fantastic development! The developers are actually going to give back as well as creating 16 new flats.They will be creating 2 brand new full size league standard tennis courts, plus a mini one. They will invest also in urgent repairs and maintenance of the clubhouse and help refurbish it bringing further investment back into the club and attract new members. This is a win win for everyone and it looks like the surrounding landscape will be a thoughtfully created and with only 16 flats it seems a relatively small development. I really like the sound of this.

using my own name and my own views.

last night at the bowling club - oh what a night and not in a 4 seasons sort of way!

A complicated scenario and a clash of ideologies combined with the usual developer/planning smell of deals done by sharks behind closed doors

One thing stood out - the standing room only nature of the response.

Small story about me and what had changed in the 50 years since I last used the club - I played tennis there on the courts which may be gone with several of my last year at school pals.
Having just moved to Kelvindale it was the only thing remotely fun for a seventeen year old to do in the area....within a year I had moved out to Byres Road to start my university studies at the Mac my parents remaining in the house.
I have for my sins lived many places and attended many mostly box ticking formal planning enquiries. defo not fun.

To extract a bit of clarity from yesterday evening the main clash was between the private club and its (possibly slightly perochial) conservative view and the very obvious desire for community facilities .... the bottom line is that nothing will survive without an income and the income from memberships seems insufficient to allow for the survival never mind the club thriving.

The in fighting is just not constructive we have had 50 years pass since I first played tennis and escaped the confines of Kelvindale.

I have fought for the retention of public spaces good buildings and transparency all my life and if we (whatever 'we' means in this case) which I would suggest is key to any forward planning

That there is a need for shared community facilities is patently obvious from late nights turnout I would be very interested to learn how many were actually there.

There may or may not be an opening here for "people power". We may or may not actually be or have a community here.....since I moved back in after my mother's death I have not ventured beyond Baronald.

I would advise that 2 things have to happen
1 - a proper presentation of what is proposed
2 - an identification of the planning office and officer(s) - a printed copy (I see no big screens) of the local area plan and the zoning of land in our area. It is now my area too.

It does indeed sound like the local community council need to wake up - what is planned for the land opposite Cleveden school - they desperately need a lunch room. We already have severe challenges on our infrastructure; drainage frequent flooding at Kelvindale bridge - impassible to Tesco on recent occasions. My plea can we please get together sacrifice ideologies at least temporarily and look at the practical realities. We are not in. a world where petted parochialism or blue sky ideology can survive we are in a world where we all need to start work on how we and our local environment can survive

I went on the march. I know how serious this is I would like to improve things so that it becomes attractive for me to remain here - I am currently teetering ..... I do like to be beside the seaside.

Thank you for a very interesting and thought provoking evening evidence of much passion