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June 13 2018

Argyle Street ‘Avenue’ consultation gets underway
Attention is turning to the Argyle Street component of Glasgow’s ‘Avenues’ project this weekend with the launch of a public consultation designed to shape how the next phase of the giant public realm project will look.

Examining a stretch of public realm from Anderston Cross to Trongate, as well as St Enoch Square through to Clyde Street, the project will examine public demand for walking and cycling provision as well as identifying the need for green space and events accommodation.

Armed with this information designers will redesign the street accordingly to improve connectivity and enhance the visual appeal of the streetscapes as part of the £115m Avenues component of the Glasgow City Region City Deal.

The Argyle Street consultation forms part of 'Block A' which focusses on Argyle St East & West along with St Enoch Square; The Underline – (a pedestrian and cycle route linking Gt Western Rd with the city centre); Sauchiehall Precinct; Cathedral St and North Hanover St.

Stephen O’Malley, founding director of Civic Engineers who leads the design team for Block A said, “Getting the opinions of the public on these initial ideas and principles for Argyle Street is a fundamental part of the process.

“The information we collect in this first stage of consultation will help us to determine how to balance the space allocated to each element; walking, cycling, nature and so on, to inform the proposed final designs that will be out for formal consultation later in the year.”


On Street Consultation Schedule
 
Friday 15th June – 10am – 2pm – Argyle St at Buchanan St
Friday 15th June – 2pm – 6pm – Hielanman’s Umbrella
 
Saturday 16th June – 10am – 2pm – St Enoch Sq
Saturday 16th June – 2pm – 6pm – Trongate
 
Sunday 17th June – 10am – 2pm – Trongate
For the latest updates check twitter @GlasgowCC as this schedule may be subject to change at short notice

19 Comments

Chris
#1 Posted by Chris on 13 Jun 2018 at 15:40 PM
Instead of putting down weedy flowerbeds, why not plant trees?
juan de los angeles
#2 Posted by juan de los angeles on 13 Jun 2018 at 16:34 PM
"...the project will examine public demand for walking". Walking should not be a commodity to be 'demanded', it's the city centre after all where walking and the pedestrian experience should be enjoyed. Am afraid that whilst the aspirations of this may be noble the early designs are way too gimmicky and will likely not add to the experience of the city centre.
Btw, agree with #1 and who in their right mind would sit on a bench with a bus passing inches away?
Back to the drawing board boys.
Pablo
#3 Posted by Pablo on 13 Jun 2018 at 17:05 PM
Agree with those above.

GIVE US SOME #$@#!& TREES!!

Proper, substantial ones with a proper, leafy crown as well.
Gordon Taylor
#4 Posted by Gordon Taylor on 13 Jun 2018 at 17:26 PM
Having trees next an urban road is not as easy as planting them and job done, trees's roots cause damage to Gas, Electric, Water, Phone services under the road, they can be a nightmare. Maybe put some plastic trees in that look realistic.
Pablo
#5 Posted by Pablo on 13 Jun 2018 at 19:16 PM
Why does just about every other city I've been to manage to have tree lined streets?

Plastic trees? Eh, no thanks.
BRIAN
#6 Posted by BRIAN on 13 Jun 2018 at 19:26 PM
As smart as it looks I do agree there should be some trees.I seen this done in Blackpool no kerbs ! which caused a lot of accidents people just walking staright across thinking its pedestrianised as it resembles it! also blind people got into lots of problems with guide dogs also walking staright out in front of traffic and even worse Blackpool trams it was all in one!!!
As it happens,
#7 Posted by As it happens, on 13 Jun 2018 at 19:32 PM
Argyle Street sits directly on top of a railway tunnel. I think the tunnel is a couple of feet below the surface of the road and runs the length of Argyle Street from the station at Anderston cross through to Glasgow Cross. It's impossible to plant trees on top of such a shallow tunnel, however looking at this teams work elsewhere I suspect the flower beds may be part of a SuDS system.
Johnjo
#8 Posted by Johnjo on 13 Jun 2018 at 23:15 PM
Seems a pity to invest such a vast sum in new paving when the end result will quickly be trashed by many of the locals who will quickly add that oh-so-attractive top coat of fag-ends and chewing gum.
Elmo
#9 Posted by Elmo on 14 Jun 2018 at 08:37 AM
You can plant trees, they are placed in large containers which restrict the growth of the tree and the spread of the roots.
Sven
#10 Posted by Sven on 14 Jun 2018 at 10:14 AM
This needs trees. Our French and European cousins use Versailles Boxes to plant evergreen trees (and hardy palms). These planters are very decorative in their own right and will add height and interest to the streetscape. The bedding plants will not work as people will walk over it and it will fill with rubbish and look terrible almost immediately.
macshimi
#11 Posted by macshimi on 14 Jun 2018 at 12:18 PM
I agree, flower beds will soon be trashed; we need trees on pots.

Plus, stop putting cars first.

Design this route for pedestrians first, then cyclists and lastly motorised vehicles.
Gandalf the Pink
#12 Posted by Gandalf the Pink on 14 Jun 2018 at 13:21 PM
Isn't the consultation to decide what is going to be built and the image just for indicative purposes?

If you're that keen on the trees then pop along to one of the consultations.

I'm sure good people tasked with designing the Glasgow Avenues Project are keen readers of the comments section on Urban Realm, however nipping along might be even better.
modernish
#13 Posted by modernish on 14 Jun 2018 at 16:32 PM
You'd need to be absolutely 'aff yur nut' to use the colloquial term to sit on a bench between a bus lane and a cycle lane!
East Coast Warrior
#14 Posted by East Coast Warrior on 14 Jun 2018 at 18:52 PM
Plant some trees!
Ian
#15 Posted by Ian on 14 Jun 2018 at 21:30 PM
Bike lanes on the same level as the pavement are really just a stripe of paint to separate bikes from pedestrians. That won't work for either on such a busy street; pedestrians will wander into the bike lane and cyclists will weave around them onto the pavement. That's OK in a quiet street with few of either but putting cyclists and pedestrians into direct conflict is a disaster on such a busy street.
The flowerbeds are nice in theory, but it would be better to use the space to widen the pavement and build a proper bike lane segregated from both pedestrians and motor vehicles.
Hilloch
#16 Posted by Hilloch on 15 Jun 2018 at 09:30 AM
#15 yes agreed
The bike lanes should be on a different level to the pavement with a dropped kerb...not difficult to do in the slightest.
Alasdair Macdonald
#17 Posted by Alasdair Macdonald on 15 Jun 2018 at 12:08 PM
I think that the posters are getting too hung up on small issues like trees (I like trees!) and the proximity of benches (in the drawing) to a passing bus.

Argyle St, historically was one of the major radial thoroughfares, but, with the construction of the Kingston Bridge, was chopped into three disconnected parts. The pedestrianisation from Queen St to Glassford St lopped another section off. (I am in favour of pedestrianisation). Trongate, despite the Tron Theatre has, for decades been pretty tacky. So, we need to look at this strategically and look at the entire 3 mile thoroughfare from Partick Bridge to Glasgow Cross. At the west end, we have the connection with a refurbished Byres Road and east of Glasgow Cross a new east end is beginning to emerge.
So, think strategically!!
jimbob tanktop
#18 Posted by jimbob tanktop on 15 Jun 2018 at 12:40 PM
#17
Slightly o/t but the Tron Theatre has always annoyed me, somewhat. Or rather, its anonymity. In walking past you would never know there are a theatre, bar and restaurant there. One of the busiest thoroughfares in Glasgow and there isn't even a sign outside advertising what's on. A great asset poorly marketed, it's almost as if they're determined to keep it for themselves, and the last thing they want is an audience of unsophisticates going along.
juan de los angeles
#19 Posted by juan de los angeles on 15 Jun 2018 at 13:37 PM
#17 Don't think we are "getting hung up on small issues" as the point of the article and consultation is on how the public realm will look, i.e. trees, benches, paving, etc. Your 'strategic' project would no doubt be worthwhile but think the majority of posts have been relevant. And I do stick by my comments that whilst the aspirations may be noble the design elements presented so far do not appear to either work or enhance the public realm.

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